杨澜专访希拉里中英文本翻译对照.docx
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杨澜专访希拉里中英文本翻译对照
杨澜访谈录——专访希拉里中英双语版
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DragonTVInterview:
DevelopingaComprehensive,IntegratedDialogueWithChina
HillaryRodhamClinton
SecretaryofState
InterviewWithYangLanofDragonTV
Beijing,China
February22,2021
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MS.YANG:
ButthisisabeautifulEmbassy.
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Isn'tit?
Iamsoproudandimpressedbyit.Ittookalongtimetobuild,butitisverybeautifulandveryfunctional.AndthearchitectureisChinese-inspired,soit'sreallyawonderfuladditiontoourembassycommunity.
MS.YANG:
Andsoyouaregoingbacktoday,right?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Yes.Ihavetogobacktoday.
MS.YANG:
Andjustintimetocelebrateyourdaughter's29thbirthday.
SECRETARYCLINTON:
That'strue.Shewillbe29onFriday.AndIamverymuchlookingforwardtoseeingherforabirthdaydinner.
MS.YANG:
Okay.Sowhatkindofpathdoyouliketoseehertake?
IknowshehasbeenstudyinghealthpolicyandmanagementatColumbia.
SECRETARYCLINTON:
That'sright.Ithinksheissomeonewhochartsherownpath,andIamveryimpressedanddelightedatthechoicesthatshehasmade.Ijust,likemostmothers,wanthertobehappyandhaveagoodlife.AndthatisreallyallIwishforher.
MS.YANG:
Doessheresembleyouinthewaysthatshedoesthings?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Ithinksheisagoodcombinationofbothherfatherandme.Shehasaverywonderfulpersonality,andsheisahardworker,andsheisagoodfriendandacaringperson.SoIamjustveryhappytobehermother.
MS.YANG:
IknowyouhavejusthadadialoguewiththeChinesewomen.Someofthemyouhaveknownfor11years.Well,totheyoungergenerationofwomen,likeyourdaughters,whatkindofadvicewouldyouliketogivetothosewhoaspiretosucceedandlead,butcouldbeafraidoffailure?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Well,that'sagoodwayofphrasingthequestion,becauseIthinkthatovercomingyourfears,whetheryou'reayoungwomanorayoungman,tobewillingtotakearisk,totrysomethingdifferent,tofollowyourheart,topursueyourdreams,takesacertainlevelofcourage.
AndIjusttrytotellyoungpeoplewhoaskmeallthetimewhatIthinkaboutthebestwayforwardistobetruetothemselves,youknow,tolistentotheirownheart,todowhatgivesthemjoyinlife,andmeaningintheirpublicandprofessionalcareers.AndIthinkifyoudothat,youmaychange,youmaytakeadifferentpath.Butifyoucankeepfocusedonwhatyoubelieveisimportant,Ithinkthat'sthebestwaytoproceed.
MS.YANG:
Let'sgetbacktothistrip.InyourtestimonytotheSenateForeignRelationsCommittee,yousuggestedthatU.S.shouldusesmartpowertohandleinternationalissues.Howisthatapproach,orstrategy,reflectedinyourAsiantrip,especiallyyourtriptoChina?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Well,itisourgoalintheObamaadministrationtoreachouttotherestoftheworldusingeverytoolatourdisposal.IliketotalkaboutthethreeD'sofourforeignpolicy:
defense,diplomacy,development.
Wewanttoemphasize,particularly,diplomacyanddevelopment.AndwhatIhavetriedtodointhemonththatIhavehadthispositionistomakeclearthatwewillrepresentanddefendtheinterestsandthesecurityandthevaluesoftheUnitedStates,butwewanttolisten.
Wearedifferentcountriesanddifferentcultures.ChinaandtheUnitedStateshaveverydifferenthistories.Andweneedtounderstandeachotherbettersothatwecanfindmorecommonground.AndIwasencouragedbymytalkswithyourleadership,thatthereareanumberofareaswecanworkontogether.
Weareconstructing,andhaveagreed,inprinciple,toastrategicandeconomicdialoguethatwillnotonlyincludetheeconomiccrisis,whichisveryimportant,thatChinaandAmericaleadonarecovery,globally,butcleanenergyandclimatechange,andmoreeducationalexchanges,andpeople-to-peopleexchanges,moreworkonhealthcare,medicine,science.
Iwanttodeepenandbroadentheconnections,notonlybetweengovernmentofficials,asimportantatthatis,butbetweenallkindsofChineseandAmericans.
MS.YANG:
Youknow,formerTreasurySecretaryPaulsonusedtochampiontheU.S.-SinodialogueinthestructureoftheStrategicEconomicDialogue.HaveyouconvincedPresidentObamatolettheStateDepartmenttakebackthereigns?
And,ifso,whatkindofnewframeworkofdialoguearewetalkingabout?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Well,wearegoingtohaveacomprehensive,integrateddialogue.Itwillbeco-chairedbymyselfandtheTreasurySecretary,becauseIthinktherewasanawarenessthatourpriorengagementatthedialoguelevel,government-to-government,wasveryheavilydominatedbyeconomicconcerns,andbytraditionalTreasurypriorities.Theyareveryimportantbutthatisnottheonlyhigh-leveldialoguethatneedstooccur.
So,wehavealwayshadalotofinteractionatmanylevelsofourgovernments.Butwhatwewanttodoistointegratethose,andtohaveourtwoPresidents,whentheymeetattheG-20summitinApril,announcethemechanismthatwewillbepursuingnow.
MS.YANG:
Haveyoufoundtheterminologytodefinetherelationshipbetweenourtwocountries?
Becauseunderyourhusband'sadministrationwecalledit"constructivestrategicpartnership,"andthen,intheBushadministrationwecalledit"stakeholders."Haveyoufoundthenewwordsyet?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Well,I'mnotasinterestedinthewordsasintheactions.Ithinkthatwehaveevolveddramaticallyinourrelationshipoverthe30yearsthatwehavehaddiplomaticrelations.ChinahasgrownjustexponentiallyinawaythatisarealtributetothepeopleofChina.
ButwhatwenowneedtodoisdemonstratethattheUnitedStatesandChinacanworkproductivelytogether,notonlyonthoseissuesthatwehavebilateralconcernsover,buttoshowleadershiptotherestoftheworld.
Ifyoujusttaketwomajorissuesconfrontingtheworld,Idon'tthinkit'srealistictoexpectthatwewillseeglobalrecoverywithoutChineseandAmericancooperationandleadership.IknowthatitisnotrealistictoexpectthatwecandealwithglobalclimatechangewithouttheUnitedStatesandChinaworkingtogether.
So,whatwearetalkingaboutisveryconcreteandspecific.Itisnotsomuchthedescription,astherealityandthecontentofwhatwewilldotogetherthatwe'refocusingon.
MS.YANG:
Okay.YouquotedChinesestory,(speaksChinese),whichmeans,"Weareinthesameboat"totackleeconomiccrisis.
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Yes.
MS.YANG:
Yet,atthesametime,the"BuyAmerican"rhetorictriggeredanotherroundoffearofprotectionism.HowwouldtheU.S.governmentreconciletheinternationalresponsibilitywiththedemandofdomesticconstituencies?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Well,PresidentObamawasveryquicktoact,andtomakeclearthatwearenotgoingtoengageinprotectionism.And,withrespecttotheprovisionthatwasinthestimuluspackage,itmustbecompliantwithourinternationalagreements.
WeknowthataroundofprotectionismisnotinAmerica'sinterests.It'simportantthatweworkwithcountrieslikeChina,andothers,toestablishaframeworkforrenewedeconomicgrowthandprosperity.
Now,wealsohaveworktodoathome.Notonlydowehavetostimulateoureconomy,butwehavetobeworkingtoenhanceourmanufacturingbase,workonourautomobileindustry.Sowehavealotofinternaldecision-makingthatisimportanttooureconomicfuture.AndIthinkChinadoes,too.mean,Chinaisstimulatingyoureconomyatthecentralgovernmentlevel.Youarelookingtodealwithproblemslikemigrantworkerswhonolongerhavejobs.
So,weeachhaveourowninternaldomesticchallenges.Butwecannotsolvethoseattheexpenseofgeneratingglobalgrowthagain,whichwillbenefitbothofourpeople.
MS.YANG:
Youcertainlyhaveyourhandsfull,withallsortsofchallengesandproblemsaroundtheworld,fromIraqtoGazaStrip,fromnuclearproliferationtoclimatechange.Andthen,ofcourse,theeconomiccrisis.
Howwouldyousetanachievabletargetforyourterm,assecretaryofstate?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Well,it'strue,thatwehavecomeintoofficeatatimeofsomanyproblems.Youmentionedafewofthemostwellknown.Idon'tknowthatwecanpickandchoose.It'soneofthereasonswhyIhaveadvocatedtheappointmentofspecialenvoys,becauseIthinkweneed,astheysay,allhandsondeck.Everyonehastoworkhardtogethertotrytountanglesomeoftheseproblems,tolookforsolutionswherepossible.
So,Idon'thavetheluxuryofsaying,"Iwillonlyworkonthis."Ihavetobeveryconsciousofeverythinggoingonintheworld.ButIdidchoosetocome,formyfirsttrip,toAsia,becauseIwanttosendaclearmessagethattheUnitedStatesisbothatrans-Pacific,aswellasatrans-Atlanticpower,andthatmuchofwhatweseeasthepotentialforpositivegrowthandgoodrelationsinthe21stcenturywillcomewithAsiancountrieslikeChina.
MS.YANG:
Thankyouverymuchforyourtime,althoughitfallsshortofmyquestions.Well,canIsqueezejustonemore?
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Sure.
MS.YANG:
DoyouthinkthatChinashouldfurtherinvestintoAmericantreasurybonds?
Becausethereisadebatehere-withunclearfuture,weshouldstopbuyingmore.
SECRETARYCLINTON:
Well,IcertainlydothinkthattheChinesegovernmentandthecentralbankhereinChinaismakingaverysmartdecisionbycontinuingtoinvestintreasurybondsfortworeasons.
First,becauseit'sagoodinvestment.It'sasafeinvestment.Evendespitetheeconomicchallengessweepingovertheworld,theUnitedStateshasawell-deservedfinancialstabilityreputation.
And,secondly,becauseoureconomiesaresointertwined.TheChine
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