A9Art and Culture.docx
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OK,today'stopicisartandcultureandthisiskindoflikeamoderntopic,somethingwecankindof,um,getintohere.ThisisViv.
Vivian:
Yes,well,artandculture,it'ssuchabroad,ahratherspectrumtodiscuss,Youknow,IreallyhavetoadmitthatI'dlovetobethoughtofasartyfarty,butIdon'tthinkIam,soI'mjustgonnaturnittoyou,Bow.
Bow:
Hey,mynameisBow.Iconsidermyselfartyfatty,but,um,yesIlikethingsfrom,everythingfromHycroppotiestoMatissetoPicasso,andMondrian,andculture,youknoweverythingfromtheWestIndies,youknow,pygmiestoYoga.
Luke:
That'scool,Idon't,IneverreallythoughtIwasarty,Iusedtoreallytry,reallyhardtobearty.Iusedtotrytoplayguitar,butIwasn'tverygoodatthat,andthenItriedpainting,andIwasn'tverygoodatthat.ButthenIstartedpaintingguitars,andum,Ihaveawholecollectionofpaintedguitars.Icallit"Guit-art"andurn,IhopeIcanstarthangingitupatmuseumsprettysoon,solookupforit.
Vivian:
AndIgotoneofthoseinmybathroom,too?
Luke:
Yeah,talktome,ifyouneedmynumberorwhatever...
Daisy:
Anyway,Let'sgetintoit.
Luke:
O.K.
Daisy:
O.K.Well,youknow,Ioftenconsideredmyself,youknow,tohavequiteagoodappreciationofart.Butthesedays,whatconstitutesart,couldbemanydifferentthings.So,whatdoyouthinkthenisArt,andwhatmakesArt,Art.
Luke:
IguessthemainthingformethatwouldconstituteArtis,um,it's,well,basicallyinit'spurestform.Artisjustthisrandomspurtingofcreativeimpulse,like,ifyouwill.Anditdoesn'treallyhaveapurpose,afunctionalpurpose,exceptforfunctionalArt,Iguess.Whichbyitsowndefinitionis,hasapurpose,andhasafunction.But,well,Imean,justpureArtinitselfis,um,issomethingthatdoesn'treallyserveanypurpose,likeit,itwon't,itwon'tgrateyourcheese,anditwon't,youknowmakeyourhairsmellniceoranything.
Daisy:
So,then,you'resayingthatArtis,functionalonlyforthepersonthatcreatesit?
Cause,PaulCezannesaidthat,thatArtwasintheprocess,notthefinishedproduct,so,ifitdoesn'tserveapurpose,isitonlyservingsometypeof,releasefortheartisthimself?
Luke:
OrtheappreciatoroftheArt,someone,obviously,peoplewhoappreciateArt,appreciate,thesamethatwasevidentwhentheartwascreated.
Daisy:
Sothen,itdoesserveapurpose.
Luke:
Ofcourse,butnotthatsortoftangiblefunctionalpurpose,Imean,it'smoreofaspiritualpurpose,it'smoreapersonalpurpose.
Bow:
ExceptforfunctionalArt.
Luke:
ExceptforfunctionalArtlikeareallycoollookingchair.It'scoollookinganditmaybemight,makeyoufeelsomething.Ifit'sred,itmightmakeyouthink,"Ooh,I'm,feelingverypassionate,thatreallyspeakstome",andthenwhenyousititin,you'resittingdown,and,hey...
Bow:
So,O.K.Whatdoyouthinkabout,...Ducharnp,andhisUrinalsandthingslikethat,Doyoubelievethat,thatwasArtornot?
Luke:
I'dhavetoseehisstuff,Iguess.
Bow:
Well,it'saurinal.
Luke:
It'saurinal?
Bow:
Yeah,hejusttookaurinaloffthewall.
Daisy:
But,wasn'thethefirstpersontoeverdothat?
Bow:
Well,that'sthething.
Daisy:
Right,Imean,it'sthesamethingwithAndyWarholandhiscansofsoup,thefactthathedidsomethingdifferent,createdawholenewgenreofArt,which,youknow,isartisticinitselftobeabletodosomethingindividualistic.
Bow:
But,isitArtjustbecauseofinthatsense,it'sshocking,becausenoone'sdoneitbefore.So,...isshockingArtconsideredArt?
Luke:
Sure,Ithinkitsayssomethingaboutsociety,it'sabitofareflectionofsociety.IthinkthatAndyWarholandthetomatocans,wassayingsomethingaboutlikeadvertising,andnoonehadbeenaroundlikethismuchlikebannersandthisiconographicsortofrepresentationofjusteverydaythings(Bow:
AccordingtoAndyWarhol)heblewthatup.ButImean,alotpeoplerespondedtoit,andlikethecomicbooksandstuff.Andjusttheselikereallysimpleimagesthatarejusteverywherethatbecomesthepartofthecollectiveconsciousness.
Vivian:
O.K.Butforsimpleme,who'snotinterestedinArt.Whohasno,youknow,noidea,noconcept,nograspofaaindepthpartofanyoftheArts.Forme,IjustdefineArtasmusic,Art.Whatelseisthere?
Daisy:
Yeah.
Vivian:
Yeah,welllikeanysortofperformance,ok.That'sArt.Itiswhatsomeonesays,it'swhat,Idefineitinmysimplemind,butthen,whenyouguystalklikethisthenitsoundstomelike,it'sanysortofsimplepersonal(Daisy:
Expression?
)expressionofyourself,ofyouremotions,ofyourself,ofanything,so,dancethroughmusic,throughsong,through,throughanyofthosevenuses,youcanexpressyourself,andthatisArt.
Daisy:
Youknow,AliceWalker,whowrote,themovie"TheColorPurple",withthebook,shewroteanessayaboutArtandwomenartists,becauseit'sbeenquiteastruggleforwomentobecomesuccessfulartists,especially,youknow,waybackinthe50'sorinthe40's.But,shewassayingthat,youknow,it'sbeenastruggleforwomen,butthinkaboutwhatitwaslikefortheslaves,inAmerica,whentheyfirstcamehere.Notonlywerewomen,likechattelsandbasicallyworkedallthetime.Iftheywere,didhaveanartisticsoul,howweretheygoingtoexpressit?
Andshewassayingthattheyexpresseditineverydaythings.LookatthequiltsthatAfricanAmericanwomenmade.
Vivian:
Iwasjustabouttosaythat.
Daisy:
Thingslikethat.
Vivian:
Lookattheclothesandthequiltsthattheymade.Thoseareexpressionofthemselves.
Daisy:
Thenegrospiritualsthattheysangwhiletheywereworkingon,youknow,thefarmsandthingslikethat.TherewasalwaysanexpressionofArt,eventhough,theywereinapositioninsociety,wheretheyweren'tabletosellitorshareitwithotherpeople.Theyshare,shareditwiththeirfamily,andpasseditonasheirloomstotheirfamily.
Bow:
AndthroughtheirArt,theyhavecreatedtheirownculture.
Daisy:
Right.
Bow:
AndIbelievethatthisissomethingthat,theyareforgettingabout,hereinKorea.Ithinkthattheyusedtohaveareallystrongcultureandtheyhad,greatart,theystilldo,Imean,someoldthings.Butthey'relosingthatinthefaceof,youknow,capitalismand...IthinkKoreaisreallylosingitsnationalidentitythatitoncehad.Whereasuh,iftheycouldtakesomeofthosetraditionalArtsthatweresostrong,andmixthemwithmoderndayideas.Thentheywouldcreatetheirownnationalidentityandthencreatetheirownculture,again.And,forbands,andstufflikethat,theyjustripoffothermusicandjustchangethelanguageisnotdoingthat.Ithinkthat,youknow,takingsomeofthe...I'mnotamusician,butinallaspectsofifinfashion.Theyactuallystartedalittlebitin,forexample,theKoreantraditionalclothes,they'remakingthemmorecontemporarylookingbuttheyarebasedonthedesignoftheKoreanstyle.Architecture,notsomuch,it'smorebasedon,againcapitalism(Luke:
Function)andpopulation,andyouknow,puttingasmanypeopleintothemaximizingthespaceandthingslikethat.Andwhereastraditionalstyle,Koreanarchitecture,wasjustamazing.Itwas,therewassomuchspiritualityandphilosophyinit,thatit,itcame,youknow,fromthesepeople'sinspirationsandtheircultureandtheycreatedthesegreatpiecesof,thesegreatworks.Andforoneexample,istakeJapan.Japanhasaverystrongcontemporarynationalidentity.Ifyousee,well,ok,whatever,whoeverstudiedwhat.likeIstudied,forexample,Istudiedarchitecture,sowhenIseeacontemporarystylebuilding,Icantellyouifit'sJapaneseornot.Ifyouhereapieceofmusic,that,youknow,probablycanfigureoutthatit'sJapanesecontemporarystyle,orclothingorpainting.Theyhave,um,theyhavealwayshavebeengoodat,doingthat,gettingtogetherandsayingthat,we'regonnatakeapieceofourtraditionandwe’regonnamixitwiththisnewstuff.Whereasinothercountries,um,they'rejusttakingiton,fullon.AllRight.
Bow:
Well,Imean,itisstartingalittlebithere,butit'snot,theydon'tquitehavetheidea.
Daisy:
Yeah,whichgetsbacktothepointIthinkweweretalkingaboutbefore,withtheurinalandthe,youknow,andAndyWarhol.Whattheydidwasincrediblysimplistic,youknow,inthebasestformofsimplicity,rippingaurinal,youknow,offawallorputtingpaintingapictureofasoupcan.
Vivian:
Theyweren'ttryingtocomplicateitanymorethanitwas.
Daisy:
But,itwasthefactthat,it,ithadneverbeendownbeforeanditwasshocking,andthat,IthinkistheessenceofmostArt.Somethingthatisoriginalandindividualistic,andtheproblemhereis,ofcourse,youcantakestylesandblendthemtocreatesomethingnew.Butifyou'rejustborrowinganddoingsomethingthatisoldandbeendonebefore,andyou'renotputting...Koreaforexample,Theirold,historicalart,andtheirhistoricalmusicisthatuniquelyKorean.Andwedon'thavetheirAsianscaleorwedon'tinmusic,wedon'thavetheirAsiandesign,theiruniquelyKoreandesign.Andiftheyareabletoencouragethat,makeitmodern,andmakesomethingthatisnew,andjustnotborrowsongsfromeveryoneelse.Thentheywillhaveacompleteandwholeartisticculture.
Luke:
ButArtis,informedbymanythingsanddependingonwherethe,itsayslotabouttheculture
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